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Jeff Young - OCLC Research
Jeff Young - OCLC Research


While I like the idea of mocking up LCSH in a Wikibase instance, I think that basing it on Nomen (as opposed to "concepts" and/or "RWOs") is misguided and increases complexity rather than resolve it.  
While I like the idea of mocking up LCSH in a Wikibase instance, I think that basing it on Nomen (as opposed to "concepts" and/or "RWOs") is misguided and increases complexity rather than resolving it.  


I understand and agree that Access Control Points are fundamental to MARC (and community localization in general) and that Wikidata isn't a substitute. I would vehemently argue, though, that most of the problems being addressed here CAN be solved using a dedicated RWO-oriented Wikibase model combined with careful thought and enforcement of immutable labels. It would be easier to demonstrate the pros and cons with examples and historical context than explain in words, but I'll try starting with an example:
I understand and agree that Access Control Points are fundamental to MARC (and community localization in general) and that Wikidata isn't a substitute. I would vehemently argue, though, that most of the problems being addressed here CAN be solved using a dedicated RWO-oriented Wikibase model combined with careful thought and enforcement of immutable labels. It would be easier to demonstrate the pros and cons with examples and historical context than explain in words, but I'll try starting with an example:

Revision as of 01:32, 16 November 2021

Jeff Young - OCLC Research

While I like the idea of mocking up LCSH in a Wikibase instance, I think that basing it on Nomen (as opposed to "concepts" and/or "RWOs") is misguided and increases complexity rather than resolving it.

I understand and agree that Access Control Points are fundamental to MARC (and community localization in general) and that Wikidata isn't a substitute. I would vehemently argue, though, that most of the problems being addressed here CAN be solved using a dedicated RWO-oriented Wikibase model combined with careful thought and enforcement of immutable labels. It would be easier to demonstrate the pros and cons with examples and historical context than explain in words, but I'll try starting with an example:

Example 1

Is Hello Kitty one thing or three?

Note that the properties that can be associated with each are radically different.

The Fundamental theorem of software engineering states:

"We can solve any problem by introducing an extra level of indirection."

With the humorous clause...

... except for the problem of too many levels of indirection.

Example 2

Is it merely the Nomens that are offensive in these examples, or is it an identifiable concept that underlies these words that is offensive?

  • illegal alien
    • English singular
  • illegal aliens
    • English plural
  • immigrante ilegal
    • Spanish singular
  • etc.